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Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 775	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:43:00 - [1] - Quote I for one congratulate I-RED on their victory against the Serpentis.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 817	Posted - 2012.12.10 17:54:00 - [2] - Quote Anslo wrote: Cool. Now glass Serpentis Prime and everyone on it and you'll REALLY earn my respect. Please do yourself a favour and stop talking about glassing planets like it is ever a desirable outcome to anything, ever.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 818	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:15:00 - [3] - Quote Anslo wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Anslo wrote: Cool. Now glass Serpentis Prime and everyone on it and you'll REALLY earn my respect. Please do yourself a favour and stop talking about glassing planets like it is ever a desirable outcome to anything, ever. I only talked about doing that to one planet, Serpentis Prime, in retaliation for Evaloun. It's still not a desirable outcome.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 818	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:34:00 - [4] - Quote You would be surprised at how little interest I have in biomass these days, as an engineer. Here's my reasoning, sans moral pleas so as to better slot into the capsuleer mentality. Wars, historically, have tended to work upon the concept of escalations. The famous phrase "they send one of yours to the hospital? You send one of theirs to the morgue" fits quite well for this. These escalations are not unreversable, and history is also full of events where presented with the option to take an eye for an eye, the offended party has instead taken a lesser, but still worthwhile step. The Serpentis have elites and non-elites, same as anyone else. On the planets controlled by serpentis, there are many human beings who worth under the Serpentis, technically count as employees of the Serpentis, and yet had absolutely no say in, or knowledge of, the events that took place above Rilnais. To take a few ships for purposes of intelligence gathering? Fine. To kill the leaders who planned the assaults? Sure. Hell, if you are of a particularly retributive mindset, an argument could be made that the leaders who planned the attack need to suffer rather than just be removed. But to glass an entire planet because of the actions of those elites? Unacceptable. Those people, given the option of a different way, are entirely likely to turn their back on their Serpentis masters, and so glassing them along with the planet is needless, and wasteful.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 819	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:53:00 - [5] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: Though it would send a powerful message... The offending party claimed that the attack was also to send a message that no one was to cross the Serpentis. This seemed to also implicate (or attempted to) governmental organizations that they were not to cross the Serpentis. While mass destruction is never a desirable outcome, I would say it is in this case. Take a city? Take a planet. Remind the criminals of their place. You're assuming that the criminal, in this case, cares more about the people under their command then themselves. If you take a planet, it will be recorded merely as a financial loss. However, since the federation considers Rilnais to be more than a financial loss, the simple arithmetic of the matter is that the Serpentis will have come out ahead in such an exchange. They will be temporarily set back, whereas the federation will have failed in one of its basic duties. In short, traditional power dynamics fails to encompass the mindset of the non-state actor. Catch the heads. Punish the heads. Leave the civilians alone.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 820	Posted - 2012.12.10 19:40:00 - [6] - Quote Anslo wrote: Per Bastet wrote: Comments like this make me strongly consider throwing my alliance's support behind the bumpers just to spite you Anslo. If you want to join them just to spite me instead of protecting yourself and your colleagues right to mine, you got bigger issues than me (and that's saying a lot). Consider that the bumped miner suffers no harm other than a little lost productivity and some hurt feelings, and I begin to truly question the mental state of someone who believes with all his heart that these people must be protected and yet wants to see a planet full of potentially innocent people nuked from orbit simply because their leaders are dicks.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 828	Posted - 2012.12.11 14:05:00 - [7] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: What we Gallente did to the Caldari was absolutely uncalled for. We attempted to force ways onto a relatively non-belligerent society. For that, we are sorry. But the Serpentis acted aggressively initially and wiped out an entire city for a few plants. There is a key difference between the mistake the Gallente made in attacking the Caldari that caused a civil war, and teaching a few thugs about their place on the interstellar hierarchy by cleaning house, so to speak. And so the cycle continues, until someone steps in to stop it.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 828	Posted - 2012.12.11 17:20:00 - [8] - Quote On this, I think we don't need the qualification. One thing that Nation supporters and supporters of the Caldari state have in common is that we both have within our immediately accessable memories the horrors of planetary bombardment. I'd advise those who think it is a wise answer to the Serpentis Problem to experience one themselves before they go advocating death from orbit.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 828	Posted - 2012.12.11 18:29:00 - [9] - Quote If you punish the proper elites properly, then those who take their place are much less likely to make the same mistake as the previously installed leadership. In short, Captain, you can be ruthless without being a monster yourself.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 828	Posted - 2012.12.11 19:12:00 - [10] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: Stitcher wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly. Swiftly, ruthlessly and proportionately. Massive psychotic overkill is not the answer, it just perpetuates an escalating spiral of atrocities with no good outcome. So we should wipe out one of their cities then? I could find this acceptable... So you want to go full psychotic, then. This is noted.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 829	Posted - 2012.12.11 20:41:00 - [11] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly. Don't you worry, plans are already set in motion. Wait. What are you getting retribution for? I have to admit to confusion.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 830	Posted - 2012.12.11 20:53:00 - [12] - Quote Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 834	Posted - 2012.12.12 13:41:00 - [13] - Quote Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 834	Posted - 2012.12.12 16:06:00 - [14] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk. It wonder how you have had time to see all this, you seem mostly busy hijacking threads here twisting them into Sansha propaganda... With our one single engagement, you are hardly in a real position to tell anyone anything about our ability to fight. We were aware of you long before you were aware of us, Captain. You'd be surprised the things we know. Also if you think for a second my bashing out a post for the IGS takes even the smallest part of my time, you need to look into better implants!
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 836	Posted - 2012.12.12 16:10:00 - [15] - Quote Joshua Foiritain wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk. Really were back on this again? I think some of your implants are malfunctioning and causing a sand like irritation. Also as a reference for next time; If you want to kill a Sin you should bring more then 1 archon. For reference, as the defenders, we did not need to kill your Sin to declare a victory. We only needed to survive the attempt. We did this, and took down a bomber and a couple of destroyers before you ran away. Victory: The Foundations.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 836	Posted - 2012.12.12 18:38:00 - [16] - Quote I wonder if I could tell my enemies that I love breathing and have them suffocate themselves...

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